By Guillermo Cleti
In this text I want to write about my Croatian descent.
This is simply my family history.
MY GREAT-GREAT GRANDPARENTS IN CROATIA
• JUAN STANSICH – CATALINA REGOVICH
They lived in Trogir.
They had four children: María, Pedro, Nicolás and my great grandmother Margarita Reparata (Margarita Stančić in Croatian).
Margarita was born in 1893 in Trogir and she died in 1976 in Pergamino, Buenos Aires, Argentina.
• ANTONIO ROSICH - CATALINA BARTULIZA
They were my great-great grandparents too.
They lived in Trogir.
They had seven children: Felicia, Ana, Pedro, Juan, Filomena, Jorge and my great grandfather Spiro Juan (Spiro Rožić in Croatian).
ACLARATION: In those moments Trogir was a part of the Austro Hungarian Empire later know as Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
Today, Trogir is a town of Croatia.
Spiro was born in 1885 in Čiovo and he died in 1954 in Pergamino, Buenos Aires, Argentina.
MY GREAT GRANDPARENTS IN ARGENTINA
Margarita and Spiro arrived to Argentina in 1910. They married in Argentina and had seven children: Catalina, Antonio, Juan, María, Nicolás, Margarita Neba and my grandmother Ana.
Ana was born in 1919 in Chabás, Santa Fe and she died in 2006. She was married to my grandfather Pedro Cleti and they had two children: Antonio and my father José María.
MY PARENTS
Norma Gonzalez and José María Cleti are my parents. She was born in 1938 in Pergamino, Buenos Aires. He was born in 1938 in Chabás, Santa Fe.
They had two children: my sister Susana and I, Guillermo.
MY CROATIAN CITIZENSHIP
In 2010, I started applying for my Croatian citizenship.
First, I went to the Croatian Consulate in Rosario to learn about the requirements. Then, I handed in all the papers to the Croatian Embassy in Buenos Aires.
I will get my Croatian citizenship because my great grandfather was born in Croatia.
I hope this day comes soon.
I want to be Croatian as a tribute to my dear grandmother, Ana.
August 2011: and finally, I am Croatian citizen!
In this text I want to write about my Croatian descent.
This is simply my family history.
MY GREAT-GREAT GRANDPARENTS IN CROATIA
• JUAN STANSICH – CATALINA REGOVICH
They lived in Trogir.
They had four children: María, Pedro, Nicolás and my great grandmother Margarita Reparata (Margarita Stančić in Croatian).
Margarita was born in 1893 in Trogir and she died in 1976 in Pergamino, Buenos Aires, Argentina.• ANTONIO ROSICH - CATALINA BARTULIZA
They were my great-great grandparents too.
They lived in Trogir.
They had seven children: Felicia, Ana, Pedro, Juan, Filomena, Jorge and my great grandfather Spiro Juan (Spiro Rožić in Croatian).
ACLARATION: In those moments Trogir was a part of the Austro Hungarian Empire later know as Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
Today, Trogir is a town of Croatia.
Spiro was born in 1885 in Čiovo and he died in 1954 in Pergamino, Buenos Aires, Argentina.MY GREAT GRANDPARENTS IN ARGENTINA
Margarita and Spiro arrived to Argentina in 1910. They married in Argentina and had seven children: Catalina, Antonio, Juan, María, Nicolás, Margarita Neba and my grandmother Ana.
Ana was born in 1919 in Chabás, Santa Fe and she died in 2006. She was married to my grandfather Pedro Cleti and they had two children: Antonio and my father José María.MY PARENTS
Norma Gonzalez and José María Cleti are my parents. She was born in 1938 in Pergamino, Buenos Aires. He was born in 1938 in Chabás, Santa Fe.
They had two children: my sister Susana and I, Guillermo.
MY CROATIAN CITIZENSHIP
In 2010, I started applying for my Croatian citizenship.
First, I went to the Croatian Consulate in Rosario to learn about the requirements. Then, I handed in all the papers to the Croatian Embassy in Buenos Aires.
I will get my Croatian citizenship because my great grandfather was born in Croatia.
I hope this day comes soon.
I want to be Croatian as a tribute to my dear grandmother, Ana.
August 2011: and finally, I am Croatian citizen!
I am interested to hear how this worked. My grandfather was Croatian, born in the Herzegovina region of Bosnia-Herzegovina, which then was Austria-Hungary, then Yugoslavia when he left for the United States (via Chile), and now, of course, a separate country. Were the people at the consulate helpful? Was it a complicated process? What sort of information and forms to you have to provide?
ResponderEliminarHello "The Neon Tetra".
EliminarI was born in Argentina and I live in Argentina.
The people at the consulate were helpful. They got the birth certificate of my great grandfather in one month. Then, I got my citizenship in 22 months.
I am Croatian citizen as great grandchild.
I needed some papers as:
- Birth certificate of my great grandfather Spyro;
- Birth certificate of my grandmother Ana;
- Birth certificate of my father José;
- My birth certificate;
- Marriage certificate (if you are married;
- One certificate of good behavior.
Now, I have my Croatian passport.
Regards,
Thank you for the information. I feel inspired to investigate now. Let's see what happens! :)
EliminarHello,
ResponderEliminarMy great-grandparents are also from Croatia and I am interested in obtaining citizenship. Were you able to do it without having to travel to Croatia? I am in the United States, but traveling there at this time is not possible for me.
Also, is there a language requirement or any tests you had to take to gain citizenship? My Croatian language skills are not as strong as my Spanish or French.
Thank you!
Melissa
Hello Melissa,
EliminarI didn't travel to Croatia.
I needed the Birth certificate of my great grandfather Spiro.
The consulate got the birth certificate in Crotia in a month.
Now, the embassy has as requirement to speak the language.
I know a few words:
bok: hello
Puno pozdrava: warm regards
hvala lijepa: thank you
sretan rodjendan: happy birthday.
Someday, I want to travel to Croatia!
Now, I am studying English because I need it.
When I was a younger I didn't want to study English but I was some lazy.
Sure, I will study Croatian language.
Bye.
Melissa
I contacted the embassy in DC, and they told me that I fell under the jurisdiction of the consulate in NYC, and the person there was absolutely dreadful.
ResponderEliminar"What makes you so Croatian? What have you done that is Croatian? Do you play basketball?" (that was a surprising question.
The he basically told me how difficult it was and did his best to make it sound as if it was impossible, even though the nationality law seems to contradict most of what he said.
I pretty much gave up.
Hello "The Neon Tetra",
EliminarThe people of that embassy don't want to help you or they don't want to make more Croatians citizens.
It's terrible!
Here, it's different.
Keep going!
Bye
Guillermo
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ResponderEliminarHello! I am inquiring for my husband. His grandfather was born in Croatia to a Croatian mother and Hungarian father. He was a Hungarian citizen. Will he qualify if his grandfather was born there to a Croatian mother? Thanks! :)
ResponderEliminarHello AA: I apologize I can not response your question with precision. The requieriments change in each country. You should ask in the embassy. Thank you for your comment! Regards.
EliminarMy husband’s grandfather was born in Croatia to a Croatian mother and Hungarian father. Since his grandfather was born in Croatia to a Croatian mother, can my husband apply for citizanship?
ResponderEliminarThanks!
Hola Guillermo,
ResponderEliminarMe pareció muy interesante tu historia.
Mi tatarabuelo también nació en lo que hoy es Croacia.
Específicamente, él nació en Fiume (actualmente se llama Rijeka). En ese entonces, Fiume era parte del Imperio Austro-Húngaro. El apellido es Lorenzini (en ese entonces la mayoría de la población de Fiume hablaba italiano).
Mi tatarabuelo luego emigró a Guatemala, donde actualmente vivo.
¿Es suficiente tener un tatarabuelo que nació en lo que actualmente es Croacia para obtener la ciudadanía croata?
Gracias y saludos!
Hola: disculpa por la demora en responderte. Veo difícil que puedas obtener la ciudadanía como tataranieto. Mis hijos, aquí en Argentina, no pudieron hacerlo. Incluso, siendo yo ciudadano croata. Por mi experiencia, es a partir de tu bisabuelo. Saludos.
EliminarHola Guillermo,
EliminarMuchas gracias por tu respuesta.
En caso alguien tenga un bisabuelo croata (estoy pensando en mi mamá), ¿tu crees que alguien pueda obtener la ciudadanía croata sin hablar el idioma?
Gracias y un abrazo.
Hola: en Argentina, desde hace ya tres años, para obtener la ciudadanía croata, es obligatorio rendir un exámen de idioma. No se en otros países. Pozdrav (saludos)
EliminarMy last name is jurich I know my great grandfather was born in Trieste Italy but on ancestry.com says
ResponderEliminarhe was born in Austria is that because that part of Italy was under austro Hungarian rule at the time
My last name is jurich I know my great grandfather was born in Trieste Italy but on ancestry.com it says Austria is that because at the time it was under austro Hungarian rule
ResponderEliminarHello/Bog Joseph: thanks for you comment.
ResponderEliminarwhere are you live?
There is an interesting film about the moment where Croatia was under Austro Hungarian Empire. The film is: SARAJEVO.
I did the same thing, I am from Chile now living in Canada, only thing is my process took 8 years to finally receive the Croatian passport!!!
ResponderEliminarMy father was born in Sarajevo Yugoslavia. He came over in 1956 to USA. UNFORTUNATELY he died when I was 4 mos old but my mother (US born citizen) kept his history alive to us. He was not here long enough to become a US CITIZEN so he passed away as a Croatian born in then Sarajevo Yugoslavia. Would like to obtain dual citizenship. Do I have any rights to become a dual citizenship of Croatia?
ResponderEliminar